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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
 Posted - 12/07/2007 : 10:39:41
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ok guys this doesn't look like this is going be fun! Any good way to take old chipping bottom paint off? I took a da to it with 40 grit and hardly touched it, and scrapping would take superman and year. Any help here would really be great. thanks dan
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SEAPRO
Master Fisherman
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Posted - 12/07/2007 : 13:06:27
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Soda blast it.
Although, if its that hard to get off, I'd probably just DA the high spots or flakes and paint over what's already there. Unless you're looking for a great finish, having two coats is better then one. |
Will NOT fish for food !! |
Edited by - SEAPRO on 12/07/2007 14:05:09 |
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BigKev
Moderator
USA
1533 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2007 : 16:49:06
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| Sounds like a question for the Betz. Craig someone needs your help brother. |
Go Bucks!!! |
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SEAPRO
Master Fisherman
224 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2007 : 17:37:01
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Dan,
If you need anything for this job let me know. I run an industrial supply company and sell Baja and Checkmate boats everything from tools to abrasives to cranes to you name it. If its not raw material, I'm providing it. Between the two of them they spend well over two million a year with me. Matter of fact, I'm expanding this business and am going to start reaching into the marinas ect.., up that way. If I don't have what you need - I can get it. Have over 150,000 square ft of warehouse and $5-6 million in inventory.
This goes for anyone else that may need tools ect.., I'm a wholesaler but would offer anyone on this site the ability to buy from me at pricing usually reserved for $50k/month accounts. Told Dave I'd like to advertise on here but ??? |
Will NOT fish for food !! |
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crosseyes
Superior Fisherman
USA
119 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2007 : 21:00:33
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| dan, why do you want to remove all of the paint? most just scrape off the lose stuff and repair any chips in the fiberglass and repaint. been doing that for years haven't had any problems. |
Edited by - crosseyes on 12/07/2007 21:01:43 |
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bigmtman
Professional Fisherman
USA
1220 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2007 : 00:32:35
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| A guy I work with does the same thing crosseyes said,touch up all the bad places and then just repaint it.Don't know for sure but I think the boats that stay in the water are about the only ones that ever put bottom paint on so once it's in the water you can't see it any way. |
Thanks Mark Butler - ( Let Christ be your light house ) |
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SEAPRO
Master Fisherman
224 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2007 : 09:09:23
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| If you sand it off you will remove your gel coat which will cause osmosis and water will seep into you fiberglass and cause havoc. If it was put on properly (which by the trouble you are having getting it off must have been) they used 80 grit to scuff the gel coat in order to give the paint something to hold onto. You can use a stripper to take it off (pain in the butt) or you can soda blast it, and yes I mean baking soda. Any sandblaster can do this. You can use other types of soft media but on boats, my experience with blasters, is soda. If you are just wanting to add another coat and are not looking for cosmetic results then just clean up and repaint. If you are going to be sanding on this paint you need to realize its very toxic. Wear tyvex and respirator and not just a nuisance mask. Add some TBT to the paint you put on the boat. It can be found at any paint store and is an excellent anitfouling product. Its illegal for the manufacturers to add it the paint now but you still can. Use to be what was in the paint years back that lasted so long. Just my 2 cents. |
Will NOT fish for food !! |
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Conan Eye Hunter
Superior Fisherman
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2007 : 18:37:22
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Ha Seapro thanks for your offer on this site it is great when we all help each other, it goes one step father towards what we call great info.  we all have something to offer each other in this tough times , Gas Prices, work and yes our Boats  Thanks Conan Les |
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2007 : 10:31:38
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| hey guys thanks for the repleys! Im not trying to sand it off so i dont get into the gell coat for sure. My problem with the bottom paint is its not done correctly in all area's. With my drag racing iv'e learned only one way to do things, the right way no matter the labor or the cost! It's a problem i know. I once bought a house and lived in it for one month and tryed to put some ceiling fans up and didn't like the rafters so i tore the house down and built a new one! im sick i know. My wife hates it but thats how i'm made. Seapro we need to talk about tools, mans best friends. Anyways i put a product on the boat called peelaway.You leave it on for 12 hrs with a sheet on it then peel it off! I hope so. I will keep you guy's informed. thanks again dan |
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SEAPRO
Master Fisherman
224 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2007 : 10:51:06
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I figured you for that type, co-effeciency of drag ect..., I sell to alot of guys like you and I certainly respect the way you do things. As far as tools go I'm the same way, I only sell the best. I was hoping we could work out a trade, I'm looking for a hardtop for my Baha. I think you stated you work with Aluminum or S/S, I sell tools - get where I'm going with this :-)
Let me know how that peelaway works, I'm one of those who likes to keep getting educated. |
Will NOT fish for food !! |
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nate44
Fisherman
USA
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 20:48:40
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I tried peel away. Don't waste your money. It would be good to removed 1 coat on a boat that was not properly preped. Good old fashion sand and recoat. Soda blaster is exspensive I think.
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craig betz
Moderator
USA
357 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2007 : 00:10:47
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Dan,I am refitting a 25 Carver completely and the bottom had some minor osmosis in comparison to many vessels and I am tutored by professionals in the business with 30 years of experience in repair and a line of ten of their own sport and duck boats.If delamination is obvious the bottom will need to be stripped of all the improper application and at that point you will fimd more than you may perceive is necessary,tap around.Tight corners such as along the strakes are common for blistering because they did not get the glass rolled tight into the sharp angles involved.Some builds will bed those areas with a filler prior to laying mat or blowing chop to reduce the print through that occurs with roving especially if it is woven and that reduces the problems of air voids that can fill with water.When you find blisters they need to be opened to drain if saturated and allow the area to be effectively filled.If it is advanced the smell of ammonia is what you should encounter.Fiberglass and gelcoat are all hydroscopic,meaning they will wick water,boats are really not waterproof!!!In a water stored vessel a moisture barrier is the answer prior to the actual antifoulant.Interlux 2000/2001e has set an industry benchmark for the product and their VC17 has done so for antifoulant.The 17 is both alblative and has teflon added for reduced drag as it was origonally developed for racing blowboats.The beauty of 17a is that it can be overcoated later with a simple washdown without resanding.There is arguement of blasting not allowing enough toothing for the moisture barrier to be effective.A good customer/friend of mine has a three season Searay that a very well known and competent dealer sealed for water storage when they bought the vessel new and performed all maintenance until the warranty ran out.This season when they hauled out they took it to an independent who directed their attention to the thousands of blisters that developed and it appears as though antifoulant was applied without moisture barrier and possibly no form of toothing provided such as sanding.Now they have a $6000.00 repair on their hands to correct the condition,three seasons later.Read into my post on our refit and you will see what seems to be a much accepted process.Many will tell you epoxies are the only way to repair below the waterline but mixing epoxy any polyester bases can create problems invisible to the layperson,so be careful.
Heres the link to our project vessel,you will find details on the whole bottom process.
http://baitdave.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~337.asp |
Don't worry dear once we get past this rough water it will flatten out.
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2007 : 09:42:25
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| hey thanks nate, and you are right at this time the product sucks! It did take maybe 1/2 of a coat off after 20 hrs of sitting. Looks like ill be calling peel away today again. Im in luck i have become good friends with a well knowing charter captain in the river that has had 33 boats in 27 years. So im getting the boating business very quickly. He showed me how it needs to be done and what i need to to. The boat looks to be in exellent shape with not one blister or chip so far,just the coating looks like they put it over unsanded jellcoat with no bairier coat. I was lucky to have a couple of guys last night work for about 4 hours and we got a good jump on it. Looks like a pretty good project in front of us. I have one of his boats in my building and his bottom paint is awesome for 3 years old, so i hope mine looks as good too. thanks to all dan |
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 08:21:58
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| we'll guys day 4 of the bottom paint removal. Still no luck with peel away, i let it sit in a area for 24 hrs and only thing it really does is make it soft and gummy. So its the old fashion way putty knife, i do have a 1/4 of the boat to the gellcoat and was never sanded or barrier coated so with a little hard scrapping and chipping it comes off.Can't wait till the first coat of barrier coat goes on. thanks and merry xmas to all |
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2007 : 10:38:34
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| Day 5 finally got the bottom all scrapped! Wow sure nice to have some good buddies. Now comes the da ing process, cant wait for this. I dont think that peel away is the answer to bottom paint removal, it made more of a mess then good. thanks dan |
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2007 : 09:53:13
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| day 6 got half the boat da'ed and ready for barrier coating. NICE! Time to go buy the paint, this should be fun also. Hows everone doing on their boat projects? thanks dan |
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DOUBLE EAGLE
Professional Fisherman
USA
1063 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2007 : 19:42:18
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| Might get bored and get started this week end. Need to pull the batteries and do something with all of the wires that hook to the battery. Looking at replacing my rod holders, motorizing my planner board mast and installing a windlass. Now if that cash would just get ripe on the tree I will be all set. |
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bigmtman
Professional Fisherman
USA
1220 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2007 : 23:51:40
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| Hey Dan at least you have a good place to work on your boat over the winter.It should be ship shape by spring. |
Thanks Mark Butler - ( Let Christ be your light house ) |
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 11:27:27
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| day what ever, finally got the boat all da'ed! man now that was fun, getting ready for the barrier coat, looks like she's down hill from here on out. I put a waste oil heater in the building this year and man do i like it so far, i keep it at 75 and thats really nice. Boy i guess i am spoiled. merry xmas dan |
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DOUBLE EAGLE
Professional Fisherman
USA
1063 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 19:56:23
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| Heat, aint it great !!!! At least mine is inside but no heat!!! A couple of years ago at Christmas time I moved my fuel tank forward about five feet. Had to do a little glass work and a little wood work. It was just nice to be inside !!!! Heat would be nice !!! I'm close to starting to work on mine, I'm at least thinking about it. I'm just about done restringing rods in the shop where there is heat. |
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dan lubinski
Expert Fisherman
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 08:18:52
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| Im hopeing this is a quick winter, well i wiped the boat down with the prep and now with a little masking im ready for coat one! i hope all goes good here. does anyone know of a company that would have a lift to pickup a jet sky and mount it on a boat? my buddy is looking for one for his boat. thanks dan |
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bottom paint stripping and painting
